What is the best way to help teen girls actively trying to conceive (get pregnant)?

Education
38% (23 votes)
Counseling
23% (14 votes)
Other Means of Prevention
11% (7 votes)
It's their choice
15% (9 votes)
Other (Not Listed)
13% (8 votes)
Total votes: 61
Fallon's picture
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Teen girls supposedly make pregnancy pact; 17 end up pregnant:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/06/20/cho.teen.pregnancy.pact.w...

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I just noticed something- why is "get pregnant" in parentheses? Is that to explain the meaning of the word conceive to readers? I would think that most people who use this site would know that.

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I wasn't sure so I figured I'd save those who didn't know a dictionary run and simplify. Probably wasn't necessary, but on the off chance someone didn't know...

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Rhonda I've come to the point where I think boys and girls should have some kind of implants at the onset of puberty to prevent pregnancy by law till age 25 or so.. Too many times I've heard " I want a baby to love me" or my boyfriend/girlfriend , wife/husband will love me more and stay with me if we have a baby. Well, guess what? Most of the time it don't happen. Couples spilt up. Babies are'nt dolls to put away when you're tired of taking care of them. How many times are chidren neglected or abused in these situations? ALOT! TOO MUCH! ENOUGH OF THIS! And before anyone says anything, I got pregnant at 17. At that time girls were labled tramps and children bastards.

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I wish they would have interviewed some of the pregnant teens. Why are they purposely trying to get pregnant? Do they actual want to raise children at 17 or is this some kind of statement. This is certainly the oddest form of peer pressure I've ever heard of.

I hope the school decides to offer easier access to birth control and up the education of the effects of teen pregnancy. The child as well as the mother are more at risk at such a young age because most girls are not fully developed yet.

I just wish I understood why they made the pact and then I would have more to say. Knowing motivation is the only way to give advice for a solution.

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Here's a link that gives a little more info about the pact. From what I understand, the reasoning was that they wanted to raise babies together, lacked self esteem, etc.

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I think the link might be faulty, but I did a little looking and found an article on the NYTimes.com

Lists the same types of reasons. Self-esteem does cause problems at that age, but I never though of pregnancy as a solution personally. I guess I am underestimating the negative impact of budget cuts on sex ed programs on predominantly religious areas. They clearly knew how to get pregnant and decided that was the easiest route.

I wonder if the guys that impregnated them knew what the girls' intentions were. My guess is the guys will be shocked. I'm thinking they need some charges slapped against them to scare the shit out of them having sex with such immature girls (all under 16 apparently and most of the guys in their mid-20's). I find that aspect as disgusting as underage girls wanting to get pregnant. How immature does a guy need to be to think a 15/16 year old girl is someone to date? The girls can't even freaking drive yet and these guys are all over them.

These guys should be in college dating college girls, not screwing the local HS freshmen.

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I definitely agree that the guys have no business screwing around with freshman, but I don't necessarily think criminal charges are the way to go. These girls (and most others who screw around with older guys) do so knowing that it's illegal. If we're going to charge the guys for being idiots, the girls should be charged as well. I have very little sympathy for those who are victims of their own stupidity. If you don't know not that sleeping around is not a good thing (or that sleeping with an adult is illegal) by the time you're 14... I really don't know what to say. For those who know and do it anyway... that's nothing short of complete stupidity. Charge them all or don't charge any of them. One of my sisters' got caught sleeping with a 21 year old right before she turned 16. They were both idiots for doing it and both should have been in trouble. Treating her like a victim when it was her choice too never sat well with me.

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I completely agree with you about the girls being just as liable as the men. They did know better and deserve to be punished as well, unfortunately the legal system does not agree. Personally, even though it would never happen, I would want the courts to revoke parental rights on account of immaturity and lack of mental stability (which I am sure is easy to prove) and find all of those unfortunate children good adoptive parents with closed adoptions. That way those kids will not have to deal with the reality of their "parents" stupidity until they are raised the correct way.

Children should not raise children. Give the kids a chance.

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I wonder if they actually knew their ages or not. If they're scandalous enough to pull this off, they're scandalous enough to lie about their ages.

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This is a tough one. Most girls in these positions will do whatever they can to get what they want. My sister did and ended up pregnant by 16. Teenagers don't always listen, no matter how much you try to educate them. I think the only solution would be to spike their morning OJ with birth control pills.

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Good point. For all their parents knew, they could have been at school, tutoring sessions, dances, etc. Once a child enters their teens, there are only so many restrictions that a parent can place to control them. This is why I would be hesitant to remove them. They could do the same thing in a foster or adoptive home.

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Girl: "Mom, my orange juice tastes funny. I think it's going bad." *goes to pour it out*
Mom: "NO!" *grabs it so it can't be dumped* "I, uh... Put a little vodka in it! To make your morning more interesting!"
Girl: *chugs*

Later...

*phone rings*
Mom: *answers* Hello?
Phone: This is the school calling. It came to our attention that you intoxicated your daughter before she came to school...
Mom: ...F*&@.

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I can totally picture the poor kid acting completely intoxicated, too! The power of suggestion can do wonders to impressionable youth!

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One year for the holidays my dad's side of the family all got together at a resort in New Mexico. The adults decided to give us kids our very own bottle of "wine" to drink, label free. I hated the taste of it so didn't drink but a sip of it. A few of my cousins felt the same. Within an hour, however, those who had helped devour the bottle were stumbling around like idiots, giggling madly, running into things, slurring their words and otherwise acting like total drunkards. My grandparents got out the video camera and recorded it all. After they passed out, the adults placed the label on the table and got a close up of it on video. The next morning, everyone gathered around to watch the unveiling of the video. The "wine" was alcohol free grape juice. Those who had drunk were furious.

It still makes me laugh.

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There was a study done on that a little while back! Apparently, you can feel effects as if you were drunk just by thinking that you had a lot of alcohol whether or not you actually did. Kinda like a placebo except it makes you feel worse, not better I'm having WAY too much fun with this! :D
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Lol,
Witnessed something similar affect someone who was been told drugs had been added in his drink, this person started to get (really) sick and many things more.

Quite amazing how the mind responds upon what is presented to it!

When things got a bit out of hand and truth about was brought to attention, denial and disbelief made it all to turn even more nasty, not being able to accept the reality nothing was added in his drink, he turned into a monster of anger, looking for a way to vent its frustration in violence.

His ego one way or another got deeply affected, because of the ridicule he had pushed forward.

Real strange of an experience to witness, knowing the truth upfront!

Happy it wasn’t me,

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What might some of the "Other Means of Prevention" be? I'm having trouble thinking of things on my own, so I'd love some feedback before I vote.

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Well you could lock them in the attic or rent a security guard to follow them around and keep her safe I would recommend a women guard that can help the no conceiving part. You could also force her to wear olden day cloths that have some where around 20 layer It may upset them when they have to pee but at lest they will not be having sex right. There are more I just will not be getting to them yet.

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Chastity belt?

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I don't like the way this question is worded. The question really being asked is how to prevent teenage girls from trying to conceive. But I don't think they should be told not to get pregnant. Not saying that they should be told to go out and get pregnant either, but if they know all the risks and are willing to deal with the baby once they have it, why should you try to change their mind? I know a number of girls who had children when they were still teenagers, and they're wonderful mothers now, and wouldn't want to change things.

Now, if the reason they're trying to get pregnant is because they have self-esteem issues, they should probably be counseled for those issues (not for the pregnancy bit... just because they have low self-esteem. Presumably, if that's why they're trying to get pregnant, then you counsel them on self-esteem, they get better, and are then more willing to wait to get pregnant).

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I agree with you on the counseling bit, but my concern is that counseling takes time, and if they are actively trying to get pregnant, it might be too little too late. In that case, I guess I would say education, but I wouldn't limit it to education about pregnancy prevention. I'd give them education about child-rearing, early childhood education, child development, etc, along with information about pregnancy prevention. Perhaps learning how much work kids are will deter them. And if not, maybe they'll come out of better prepared. I think a combination of approaches is best.

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That's along the lines of what I was thinking with education. If they're actively trying to get pregnant, chances are they aren't going to listen to the safe sex speech, but they may pay attention when they realize how much work goes into actually caring for a child. If they make the decision fully informed, fine. But making it just to feel affection is generally a very poor decision.

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Sperm should come with a warning label:

"Use of this product may result in eighteen years of lost freedom, sagging breasts, stretch marks, widened pelvis, chronic back pain, anxiety, severe reduction in discretionary funds, headache, heartache, and anal leakage."

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You're forgetting the important stuff, EW.

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I'd hate to be the one with the job of labeling all of those sperm....

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Agreed. I find it odd that these girls would want to conceive because of their lack of self-esteem. Wouldn't anyone else find it odd? First off, if teen girls who decide to get pregnant won't listen to sex ed and pregnancy prevention, they need to learn what their bodies will go through during pregnancy. And obviously, it doesn't seem they were thinking ahead and keeping in mind what it's like to raise a child. It's very much so a lot of work from what I've seen. It's not just about feeding babies at 3 AM in the morning, changing diapers, and playtime. Raising children requires knowing how their minds are developing at their early stage as well as how to instill values and discipline into their children. And how are they going to handle their children when they're teens? Will they be able to fully prepare them when it's time for the birds to leave the nest?
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It's not odd at all. Some girls feel so unloved that they think a child will be able to fill the empty space. A child is supposed to love their parent unconditionally and many believe that with a baby they will receive that kind of love.

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I would recommend education in the form of the newest reality show. Something about parenthood experiment where they give teenage couples who claim they would be great parents a loaner child and they must raise them. First they get infants, then toddlers, then teenagers, then elderly adults (I believe). It gives them an all around experience.

I am no fan of reality TV, but this particular experiment might be beneficial to this situation.

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I was thinking the same thing. Along with good sex ed and pregnancy/disease prevention, there definitely needs to be a true study on child-rearing- including both opportunity cost and financial cost. Child development should be a mandatory class, even if people aren;t getting pregnant. It would be nice for adults having babies to know what their doing too. There is just too much abuse and neglect out there.

Also, I think birth control pills and condoms should be easily available to all teens.

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I asked it this way because I'm talking more about girls who are actively trying to get pregnant, not necessarily sex education to prevent pregnancy. Should we just say it's their decision and not interfere, should we provide them with education about what goes into raising a child, do we provide counseling in the hopes that those who are trying to get pregnant as a means of receiving affection will realize their are other ways and will make the decision to have a child for reasons that aren't likely to leave them with further disappointment, do we do something else in the hopes of preventing it?

If one truly wants to become pregnant and feels capable of raising a child, I don't have an objection. If they're fully informed and prepared to make the sacrifices, so be it. My concern is that young girls are seeking to get pregnant without having considered the further ramifications. How do we address that and ensure that they are prepared for what follows? Provide education on child-rearing, job training, etc? Counseling? Something else? Not interfere?

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I agree. I voted that it is their choice, but I was thinking more along the lines of teenage mothers that are more mature or want to start a family early. I wasn't thinking about situations like this one, which is not usual (yet).

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Are high school girls really ready to be mothers, though? I don't know too many high school girls that have their own place to live and steady work that will enable them to provide for a child. Is it really responsible to bring a child into the world and still really on their parents for financial support? And what about their babies? Is it okay to set the example that it's okay to have a baby while relying on others for the financial means necessary for child-rearing? How is that reinforcing the need to acquire independence?

What if the teenage girl's parents decide that they do not want the financial burden and they get kicked out of the house? Why contribute to the rise of homelessness and poverty? What underlying issues do these girls have going on that they would rather be homeless and have a baby as opposed to working towards stability? How fair is that to a child? Those girls involved in the pregnancy pact were 15 years old, one of them was 16 - did they ever even work one day in their entire lives? Are the fathers of the children making any financial contributions or even a presence in the babies' lives? I doubt that homeless man is able to do much for his child. And what is that mother going to tell her child about its father when it asks? "I wanted a baby so bad when I was 15 I found a homeless guy to procreate with." What is this sort of example set by the mother going to do for future generations?

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I think the girls need to learn from their mistakes. If grown-up's try to "hold their hands" then it only makes them want to rebel from adults even more. Every mistake has a learning curve for life, and everyone learns something, wether the choose to change the outcome is up to them. They'll figure out how dumb it is, and move along the way.

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I'm all for learning from mistakes, but I am also a firm supporter of exposing children to consequences of their actions. Not educating girls about the responsibilities of motherhood and sexual relationships with this attitude is the equivalent of not teaching a child about drugs and assuming that they will learn from their mistakes if they do drugs.

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:-!!

Did I read this right?

Assuming we don't mean actually helping them to conceive - I don't necessarily viewing wanting to conceive a problem that needs to be helped. Hopefully they aren't being stupid about it and realize the responsibilities of raising a child.

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You don't think they should be offered parenting classes, job training, or anything of that nature either?

I guess I just feel that if a teen is going to make the decision to raise a child, she should be a) fully aware of what she's getting into, b) given the tools necessary to ensure that she can raise the child and continue her education and c) counseled for whatever issues would lead someone to make a pact to get pregnant before the age of 16. There's obviously something going on here and I really have a hard time imagining that these girls, one of whom was sleeping with a homeless guy in an effort to get pregnant, is fully prepared to be a mother in the fullest sense of the word.

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I agree with you. Someone that will sleep with a homeless person just to get pregnant clearly doesn't understand the full responsibilities and issues that can arise from sex. If this is the case, I have a hard time believing that they understood the obligation of motherhood.

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A girl who would put herself in that sort of danger should really not be having a kid. If she can't take care of herself and her own health, how can she be responsible for another life? She could have been murdered by the homeless guy or could have contracted any number of STDs. If she does not have the capability to think of the consequences of the act of sleeping with a homeless guy, how can she possibly think of the consequences of getting pregnant and raising a child? Even with education, do you really think she would listen? How many times are these kids told about STDs and she obviously didn't listen then....

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I put counceling because That goes had in hand with education on an idividual basis. That was before I read the articles. They need to have a mandatory freshmen class like what we had. Career and family studies is what I think it was called. It was sex-ed plus all the stuff that comes after. We talked about getting pregnant in HS and the eefects of our actions.

I am pretty sure offering condoms and the pill at the school wont help stop the people from trying to get prego. These things work only if you take them. So until they come up with some sort of frequency device you can hide in a personas belt that prevents conception there is really no point. Education, wether group/school form, or individually/ counceled, or by parents is probably the best thing to do.

Is this some sort of a new way to rebel against parents? Maybe the parents said 'you will see when you are a parent' one to many times....

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a millennial version of the chastity belt? Oh! I know! A motion sensor for the down there that alerts the parents to any unauthorized activity in the *ahem* ...region. It could automatically send a text message to the parents.

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They have those "How's My Driving" stickers for teen drivers. A "Who am I Screwing?" button might be nice.

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Okay, this is probably mean, but I can't help myself -

Have a "Who am I screwing" button with a picture of the homeless guy on it......or even some pictures of disease ridden genitals. Maybe that would wake up a few kids.

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Unauthorized activity? Then we would need a way to allow authorized activity. I like the whole text message thing. I'm fascinated with the way everything is available in text form now. I can hear the ads already:

"For info about the exact location of your teen, text "MAP" to 55555.
"For info about recent alcohol monitoring data, text "BOOZE" to 66666.
"For info about unauthorized users getting jiggy with your teen, text "CROTCH" to 77777. "

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"For info about unauthorized users getting jiggy with your teen, text "CROTCH" to 77777. "

rofl

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Although I would've preferred that I didn't have a mouthful of tea to spit out on my computer as I read that...
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Will they get a free ringtone with that?

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Good thing my parents don't have texting!

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I'd say counceling and education. But failing that, a good post conception education would be kicking their little pregnant asses out onto the street and letting them take accountability for their actions for a bit.

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Those teens are closing up the “gap” of (mis)understanding between generations, although in a fairly radical way, makes it yet another sign (fine example) something is boiling down beneath.

More situations and actions similar to these will soon become daily realities which will bring all to start thinking in mass, therefore not in terms of good and wrong only.

Teens are kicking ass, was about time too, lol

Education will not bring any solace, bit late for that, the “concept” of living like most amongst believe to know it, is starting to collapse upon its own structure.

Teens visions upon a future are clouded, more will act in various ways and eventually affect us all together with the importance they push forward.

Whether they can count upon acceptance or not, will make no difference in regard to the outcome of it all.

Time is flashing at high speed towards a new plane of reality, one which eventually will be(come) understood and supported by all, this will occur when the storm will calm down and fade away.

There is no stopping this, one might as well watch this with eyes wide shut!

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I LOVE the way you write, Wombels!

I agree about teens having a very clouded view of the future. I just think that teenagers are too young to really conceptualize the difficulties they will face if they decide to have a child. Teens still live with their parents and cannot understand how difficult it is to keep a roof over one person's head let alone a child's as well. The job market is terrible and it is not feasible to raise a child making $7.00/hour. The cost of day care is equal to the cost of renting an apartment. Unless the teens plan to have their parents pay for everything, I just don't see how kids would be able to make ends meet and meet their child's needs at the same time.

I realize I focus more on the financial aspect of child-rearing than actual maturity level or the ability to make a good parent, but I think income should play a main factor in deciding whether or not to procreate. I have a friend that has two kids, 15 and 8. She is a wonderful parent and both of her kids turned out great. But she still lives with her parents and has to share a room with both of her kids. The kids may be healthy and happy, but I just think my friend would feel better about herself right now if she was able to provide her own home for her children.

Their eyes are definitely wide shut if they aren't even considering living arrangements, providing food, clothing, etc. A parent is able to provide more love and stability when the stress of finding basic human needs is no longer a driving factor for day to day living.

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The main problem these youngsters will face in time to come is the fact they don’t carry a backbone solid enough to deal with some of life realities which they will need to confront in the near future.

The other day a 13 year old boy living somewhere in Germany felt bored, he was at his grandmother’s house when he decided for himself to go upon a adventure to see the world.

Please know this is not a joke, lol

He wrote down a note explaining his plan for his parents to read, after that he took the "automatic no gear" car of his grandmother and took off!

On hs way he visited Amsterdam, Brussels and followed his way into Paris were his adventure was put to hold because he filled up the gas tank with the wrong fuel.

Someone at the gas station informed the police about what had taken place and the boy got intercepted. The boy explained the police he was on his way to Spain where he had lived before for a period of 3 years.

For me today, I cannot picture myself to embark upon an adventure like the one he made, if I would had been 13 again.

Still I can easily believe kids of today will surprise us even more in time to come, therefore I believe it is important to provide the best education and guidance available to make sure all kids can flourish in order to bring up the talent which lurks inside each and every of the children around!

This will allow them to understand the difference between fuel and fuel,

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I chose counseling over education, though they both seem like a good choice. The reason I think counseling is more important is because, like the articles I've read say, self-esteem is definitely an issue here. There's something more going on than simply a lack of knowledge about the consequences of what they're doing. Most 17 year olds that I know who are well-adjusted and have a good home life don't want to get pregnant.

It might be useful to give these girls counseling anyway now that they're pregnant just so they don't pass the same misguided ideas on to their children.
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AJ Gradisher's picture

There is no question aboutn it, teen girls who want to get pregnant really need counsoling. I mean, do they SERIOUSLY think they are ready to be parents? Even the most adult-like teen wouldn't be ready for a child at seventeen. If you ask me, we need a hell of a lot of counsolers to get through to these thick headed nimrods (sorry if I sound disrespectful, but it irritates me, because the preggers I know complain that they can't do anything or take care of what they WANT) because they won't think twice without forceful advice. A friend of mine got pregnant, and I'm like woman, you haven't held a job in God knows how long and you can't rely on your boyfriend.... whom CHEATS on her, or so I'm told. But whatever, I can't deal with that.

These girls seriously need counsoling. I mean, pacts to get pregnant at the same time? I've never heard something so... so... absurd!

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Wombels's picture
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It’s important to “step outside” of one’s personal bubble in order to comprehend what is taking place with those seventeen girls…..

This is actually magic which is manifesting itself, still, from all the comments I read, it is clear to figure out most amongst don’t grasp the reality around what is actually taking place.

It’s important to pounder “it” for a while, it might open up new ways of thinking, for all of us!

Those teens are sending a straight forward message, to at least try and read (think) “it” might bring up some understanding of the why involved!

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ediblewoman's picture
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On my active threads list display, the parenthetical note gets split right next to your name, so it reads, (get Fallon pregnant).

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Fallon's picture
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lmao, I wish! Although... explaining to hubby that instead of his baby, I'm carrying ProgressiveU spawn might get a little er.. sticky.

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ediblewoman's picture
Volunteer for the Progressive U Alumni Association

Again with the forcing of the sperm talk on the lesbian? Uncool.

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_Meke's picture
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That's what I read too.
HA!!!

If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed...nothing shall be impossible unto you. - Matthew 17:20

Rue_Devereux's picture

Many high schools don't provide ANY sex education at all. When I came into high school as a freshman one of my best friends got pregnant and I sat next to a 5 month pregnant girl in one of my classes. By sophmore year another close friend was pregnant (which led to her not attending MIT, very sad), and I was seeing more pregnant people in one place than I ever had in my life. It was sad really. They even passed out a letter for us and our parents about how high teen pregnancy was and about classes and help that they could get! Instead of trying to help prevent it. I know people who were having sex in the bathrooms between class. I stopped being surprised. And after high school just about all my friends had kids. So I'm 21, with friends in the same age range who all have 2 or 3 year olds (some older), and there's a point when I just stopped being surprised. Sex education in elementary school was in 6th grade and 7th grade. They teach you about periods and show a weird cartoon about sex. Teach you body parts and STD's and off you go. Then the actual hormones really kick in while you're in high school and it all just flew out of their minds I guess. There should be condoms in the nurses office, free, or very cheap. Pamphlets, some classes, even if they aren't mandatory. Something though, right?

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The article I read http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080625/ap_on_re_us/pregnancy_pact said that there was no pact. It is completely irrelevant though, seeing as how these young women are already pregnant.

When I was in high school, my best friend, at 16, got pregnant. Another friend of ours, Chris, thought it would be so cool if they were both pregnant together and could raise their kids together. She had it all planned out too. They would live with her aunt, and one could babysit while the other worked. It would be so cute- they could even dress their babies alike!

Well, Kelly ignored it, but Chris was pregnant within 2 months. They didn't go live with her aunt, and last I heard, Chris lost custody of her oldest son. The idea of teens wanting to raise kids together is not unheard of.

If there was a pact, or if girls were talking about how they wanted to join the trend or whatever happened, someone had to have overheard the conversations and administration probably should have stepped in. There wouldn't be much they could do, but good sex ed and educating about the costs of raising children (financial and opportunity) could end the trend.

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