Is none of my business. Because of all the recent events in gay marriage progression, the topic has been pretty hard to avoid. I've read a lot of opinions both for and against gay marriage in the last few weeks and I can't help but think about my own stance on the subject.
It is really amazing to me just how many people are so against gay marriage, so much so that they scream hate at others. I remember reading a post from someone who kept bringing up sex and how wrong homosexual sex was and how "A penis is only for a vagina and a vagina is only for a penis" or something like that (I don't remember who wrote it or on what blog so I am paraphrasing). He went on and on about how making gay marriage legal is soooo wrong because gay sex is soooo unnatural and not how it is supposed to be. I'm sure there are a lot of straight couples out there who have much freakier sex that gay couples, but no one seems to be trying to keep them from getting married. Now, I am straight so I guess maybe I am not a pro on the subject, but is gay marriage all about sex? So that would mean that straight marriage is all about sex too, right? To that I say, "This guy has clearly never been married!". I am married now, and I can tell you that if marriages survived on sex alone mine would have been over shortly after it started.
I've had a lot of people ask me about this subject, I guess because my mom is a lesbian I should have some profound insight on the subject. Someone once asked me if I thought it was weird to think that my mom has sex with a woman. Dude, my mom is in her 50s, and she is my mom, it is weird to think that she has sex at all. In fact, it isn't a hobby of mine to think about who people I know or don't know are having sex with, whether it be with a man, a woman, or a gorilla. I'm pretty focused on trying to keep my sex life alive between full time jobs, school, and raising kids. I don't consider that other people in the world actually have time for sex, so if you do and it happens to be with someone of the same sex, good for you. At least you are getting some.
Another big argument against gay marriage is that it is ruining the "Institute of Marriage". How, pray tell, is it doing that? Imagine this: A gay couple living together in Iowa has been together now for 3 decades. They have fought and fought for their right to be together. They have had the same ups and downs that every couple has had and they choose to stay together because they want to, not because they can and not because they have to. Suddenly, they are granted the right to be married to one another, and they are the first in line to tie the knot. Where do you see this couple 10 years from now? I see them taking walks together, cleaning the house together, watching movies together. Being together. So what has this gay couple done to the "Institution of Marriage"? They brought the divorce rate down.
My last thought on the subject is this: If the Catholic Church, or any other church for that matter, doesn't want to recognize gay marriage, who gives a fuck? No church recognizes my perfectly normal, socially acceptable, straight marriage either simply because I never asked one to. If you think that it is wrong to be gay or have a gay marriage the answer is simple. Don't be gay and don't marry someone of the same sex. What I do and what your neighbors do in no way effects you. Mind your business. In return, the rest of the world will ignore what you're preferences happen to be. What you do behind closed doors is your own damn business.
Right on, sister!
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You know, blackout and I and countless other GLBT folks can make this argument till we're blue in the face, but people will still invalidate it because we're gay. I SO appreciate it when the same argument comes from a straight ally. We need you guys to speak to the people who refuse to listen to a gay person. So THANK YOU!
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~Jack Donaghy
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You do make a very valid point. Yes we should keep our noses where they belong and yes straight ppl have crazy sex too and yes marrige is not about sex. But marrige is about a man and a woman. If gay ppl want to be united in the same sort of way i think they should but use a diffrent title bc our marrige comes from God who made it and thus it is perfect. When he made it he fully knew that there would be gays down the line that would want to do it but still he said no. So im with God on this one. He made the universe, he made us and he made law. why the hell would i think lowly humans can take control and screw with his creation?
But marrige is about a man and a woman.
That's a matter of opinion which thankfully is becoming less and less prevalent in our country.
If gay ppl want to be united in the same sort of way i think they should but use a diffrent title bc our marrige comes from God who made it and thus it is perfect.
Historically speaking, marriage originated as a secular arrangement that had nothing at all to do with religion. But even IF your speculation concerning your "god" as the origin of marriage was demonstrably true, that would be relevant in this disucssion since in the United States our Constitution prohibits laws that are based on religious doctrines.
When he made it he fully knew that there would be gays down the line that would want to do it but still he said no. So im with God on this one.
Fortunately, in the United States our Constitution prohibits laws that are based on religious doctrines. We call those "establishements of religion" and the First Amendment clearly renders your reasoning invalid.
TTFN,
Blackout
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that is my opinon! and an opinon cannot be wrong or invalid. that is what i belive and you belive what you do. why r gays so damn angry all the time? look around you, the world is bigger than this gay marrige thing. when will ppl just agree to disagree!!!!!
why r gays so damn angry all the time?
If gay people are "angry" all the time, its the same reason black people are "angry" all the time, or the same reason feminists are "angry" all the time, or any other oppressed group of people. It sucks when you have keep defending yourself against privileged people who neglect to see their privilege.
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"Never go with a hippy to a second location."
~Jack Donaghy
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ediblewoman
when people like you quit trying to legislate away our basic human rights. When we are afforded equal rights, "agree to disagree" will apply. Until then, you are just trying to squash the argument.
"Never go with a hippy to a second location."
~Jack Donaghy
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ediblewoman
that is my opinon! and an opinon cannot be wrong or invalid.
An opinion cannot be wrong only in the sense that it accurately represents your point-of-view. However, and opinion CAN be based on inaccurate assumptions, motivated by bigotry and used in an attempt to justify discriminatory attitudes. Yours is all three.
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i am a minority and woman and im not angry all the time. i dont get angry when things dont go my way. there is one law ONE that is not equal. and it is marrige not the right to buy and seel or the right to a fair trial or anything like that. being a slave is far diffrent from not being able to marry! besides how the hell will you get more ppl to be with you when all you do is try and put them down. get off your high horse. if you want change then you must change first. the civil rights of blacks were not won bc they were rude and insulting, it was won bc they did not ues violence and were not mean spirited. MLK never put down white ppl, he never put down the white ppl that put him in jial, or beat his friends or anything. that is the diffrence that is why they won. like it or not your being the rudest or meanest will not get you anywhere.
A few suggestions first. There is a reply button in a person's comment that you should use if you want to reply to their comment, that way people know who you're talking to. Also, you might want to fix your spelling, punctuation, and capitalization. The way you type makes you look uneducated or lazy, and both don't work against you in an argument.
If you aren't angry, you should be. You have plenty of reasons, whether you realize them or not.
Martin Luther King Jr. was an angry man. And not all black civil rights activists believed in nonviolent protests (see Malcolm X and the Black Panthers). Anger in the face of oppression is justified and it can be a powerful tool to organize around.
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yes i cannot spell and i never tried to say i could. i dont capitalize bc the button is usually stuck. and of course i know about the violence that took place, but i didnt think i had to mention the obvious. i figured you would know what i am talking about. and sure i have somethings to be mad about but i dont. i went to an all white school and my teacher refused to teach me and i got beat up and threatened all the time, but getting mad about things like that dont help it. getting mad and yelling only adds to the other persons argument about why they should do what they do. so im sorry that you guys have to struggle for something, and im sorry if i came off as angry or indifferent to this. i assure you i am not. i have just been tought diffrently than you.
being a slave is far diffrent from not being able to marry!
What does slavery have to do with marriage equality? The African-Americans in this country weren't slaves during the Civil Rights Movement, either...but that didn't stop them from fighting for FULL equality.
the civil rights of blacks were not won bc they were rude and insulting, it was won bc they did not ues violence and were not mean spirited.
Where have I advocated the use of violence? And I would suggest you need to read a little history, if you think the whole civil rights movement was nothing but a polite discources between people who wanted to make friends.
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im not stupid i know that there were violence and anger. i said it was WON by non violence. i thought i didnt have to mention the obvious.
...seems "myopic" to me. Several times now you have made statements that appear to selectively edit the parts of history that you find uncomfortable.
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I'll give you some more. Progressive U is not your average blogging site. You cannot get by on opinions here. We are here to debate progressive issues. In a debate, it is good form to SUPPORT your argument and REFUTE your opponents argument. That's how debates work. Blackout is not the one being rude here. He is refuting your statements in a very level-headed way, supported by facts. That is not rude. That is how debates work. You have yet to offer a similar kind of defense of your argument.
If you want to continue spewing opinions with no factual support, you'll find that the other users WILL call you out. You can cry foul all you want to, but that is the culture of the site. No one has insulted you so far; they have insulted your arguments, which is different. (NOTE: if you feel someone has personally insulted you in violation of the Terms of Service, you may flag the comment by clicking the report button near the reply button at the bottom of the comment box. Staff will then review it and take the appropriate action, if necessary).
If you want to be a valued and respected member here, you will want to bring your A game. And don't worry, MANY of our most vocal and respected users have come here with the expectation that we're like all the other sites out there; when they figured out they were going to be called on their opinions, though, they took it as a challenge to get better educated about their stance so they can defend themselves. You can do it!
"Never go with a hippy to a second location."
~Jack Donaghy
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ediblewoman
I see my mistakes, and next time i will do better. i thought this was about opion not facts, so my mistake. i have no facts about gay marrige, i know of no studies or anything like that, i dont read the articals of Dr.'s who study the subject at hand. but next time i will bring some facts, so for this subject i hope you get what you want, i was never gonna fight gay marrige i just had my reservations about it.
If you are saying you are going to do some research and develop an informed opinion, then YES! I got exactly what I want. That's what this site is all about. If you come back with a more informed idea of what gay marriage is all about and STILL feel it is wrong, then by all means, present your case! Just be prepared for counter-arguments. Good luck, and I wish we still had the applause smiley, but since we don't, I will give you teh dancing smiley instead:
"Never go with a hippy to a second location."
~Jack Donaghy
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ediblewoman
i thought i was doing ok for someone who didnt go to highschool. lol