This has become accepted theory amongst many people and yet it remains politically charged and controversial to some, not to mention that some people flatly deny its existence. Well I was an Environmental Science and Policy major at school and I do believe climate change is real and that this time around humans are at least part of the cause of it. Still, how to impart this to a group of elementary school kids without them freaking out on me? I think it is a good thing to point out that climate change means change first of all and that not all change is bad. One of the many predictions out there is that due to changing precipitation patterns, some areas of desert of will become lush grasslands. I think this is a good thing for both humans and grazers. Who knows some areas of desert may gradually become good for agriculture.
Then there is the case that humans are a very adaptive species. We can in all likelihood get through this scathed but alive and relatively safe. We have I believe (and I may be wrong) that humans have already witnessed an ice age (to some geologists I think we are still in an ice age because the Polar Regions and some mountains have ice on them. I read it somewhere but I do not remember where) and therefore witnessed climate change already and survived it.
Climate Change
By HInal_patel - Posted on April 6th, 2009



We are a few billion upon this globe, I guess to change our ways might not be that bad of an idea to start with.
I believe many will learn to understand and become comprehensive when shortage and lack will enter their lives.
Climate change will push forward human change.
Well I was an Environmental Science and Policy major at school and I do believe climate change is real and that this time around humans are at least part of the cause of it. Still, how to impart this to a group of elementary school kids without them freaking out on me?
Well you could start by telling them the truth - that man made climate change is an absurd and arrogant theory used as scare tactics to implement socialism and restrict people's freedom. But it doesn't seem like you are too interested in telling students something like that and I wouldn't be either. Don't say anything. If you're a teacher (I assume) you are not there to make good socialist citizens out of impressionable children, you're there to teach.
Now let me teach you a lesson about science. Science is not consensus but rather truth and fact. Regardless, if you think man-made "climate change" is settled science then you should know it is by no means settled science as many scientists reject such an absurd theory based on real fact and research. There is no consensus. Answer me this, Why is it now called "climate change" instead of "global warming"? Could it be that the environmentalist wackos want to make sure they always have a means to control the masses?
The earth's climate has constantly changed over the past 4 Billion years, it is changing now, and it will change in the future regardless of human presence. IF you can't tell them the truth, just don't tell them anything okay?
Well you could start by telling them the truth - that man made climate change is an absurd and arrogant theory used as scare tactics to implement socialism and restrict people's freedom.
You have made this claim in a previous discussion, but when pressed you were unable to support this assertion with scientific evidence. In fact, you admitted in that discussion that you really don't care what the science behind global warming says, and further that you are only interested in the political ramifications of the issue. In fact, there is a clear scientific consensus supporting the existence of anthropomorphic climate change, and no amount whining about the associated politics can change that.
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Well soon I will get the time to write a short paragraph or two based on scientific fact and analysis. For now school work is keeping me busy and I am in the process of writing a long research paper on Frederick Douglass for English Comp II. I see you have not understood what i meant when I said I don't care about the science behind global warming. Unlike others, Blackout, I separate the politics and science of global warming. There is no strong consensus among scientists, but the facts are what matter anyhow. Consensus is a political concept not applicable to science. And for heavens sakes I'm tired of hearing about "climate change" or whatever it happens to be called at the moment. Since summer time is approaching you can expect to hear more about "climate change" and hell, it will probably be called global warming again during the summer. Well for all you geniuses, the rapidly approaching global warming is called summer. But watch and see the global warming Nazis in full force over the coming months.
Well soon I will get the time to write a short paragraph or two based on scientific fact and analysis.
Bullshit. We've heard this song and dance before (see the aforementioned link).
Unlike others, Blackout, I separate the politics and science of global warming.
Bullshit. You JUST SAID...
That's an attack on the scientific validity of the theory, and it has nothing to do with politics. YOU want to confuse the two, by suggesting that because you don't like the political implications of the policies that are being developed to combat the phenomenon, the theory must be wrong. This is a stupid position, and one that we have explored in depth, before (again, please refer to the aformentioned link).
There is no strong consensus among scientists, but the facts are what matter anyhow.
Bullshit. You have been presented with ample evidence to establish that such a consensus exists, and your sources that suggested otherwise have been soundly refuted. (see the aforementioned link one more time).
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Go to here http://www.oism.org/pproject/ and here http://www.petitionproject.org/ and then tell me about your consensus. Ridicule my "Song and dance" for wanting to take time and effort to make a scientific argument rather than posting links to blogs, and declaring a victory. If you support the proposed policies of global warming wackos then you are obviously against the working class Americans and do not care about the "little guy." Wait a second, isn't it supposed to be the evil conservative Republicans that are for policies extremely damaging to the working class? Leftist lie of the day exposed and defeated.. Yep I'm jumping all over the place because it seems to work for you. Which of the many leftist lies should I expose and defeat tomorrow? Just pretend I am a conservative Republican and seriously accuse me of a wrongdoing and then you exposed what the leftists are indeed guilty of themselves. Cap and Trade is the nail in the coffin for this country and people do not need to be indoctrinated about it. Americans are pathetically stupid and that is a shame.
A scientific consensus is defined, thus...
*Aside* And seriously...you aren't really trying to cite an internet petition as a credible rebuttal to the idea of a scientific consensus regarding anthropomorphic climate change, are you? LOL.
Your letter really doesn't mean much, anyway, since (as usual) it doesn't come from anyone working in the field of climatology. Frederick Seitz was a physicist, not a climatologist, and he really should have known better (he's dead, now) than to comment too stidently about subjects in which he was not an expert.
Let's try a source that is actually current and properly peer reviewed.
You might also want to go here, to see the overwhelming support of the consensus which you contend does not exist by virtually every major association of professional scientists working in the relevant fields of study. This list includes the European Academy of Sciences and Arts, the InterAcademy Council, the International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences, the Network of African Science Academies, the Royal Society of New Zealand, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the European Science Foundation, the National Research Council (US), the American Geophysical Union, the European Federation of Geologists, the European Geosciences Union, the Geological Society of America, the International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics, the Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London, the American Meteorological Society, the Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society, the Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences, the Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society, the Royal Meteorological Society (UK), the World Meteorological Organization, the American Quaternary Association, the International Union for Quaternary Research, the American Astronomical Society, the American Institute of Physics, as well as the National Science Acadamies of Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Cameroon, Canada, the Caribbean, China, France, Ghana, Germany, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, India, Japan, Kenya, Madagascar, Malaysia, Mexico, Nigeria, New Zealand, Russia, Senegal, South Africa, Sudan, Sweden, Tanzania, Uganda, United Kingdom, United States, Zambia, and Zimbabwe (pluse a dozen or so other respected scientific organizations that are not directly related to the field, but whose specialities are close enough to warrant consideration).
No consensus? Please...
So, unless you have a source with at least some equivalence in credibility, please spare us your conspiracy theory laden misrepresentation of the facts that are clearly laid out in the scientific literature. Don't go looking for petitions, books and websites that aggree with you. If you want to be taken seriously, then you need to address the actual contents of the peer reviewed literature. Unfortunately, for you, that body of information does not reflect the politically-motivated position that you espouse.
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I also invite you to check out some of Darwins Beagle's blog entries on the topic. He did quite a bit of research and went into quite a bit of detail about AGW.
I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do. ~D. Dale Gulledge
Here are links to the blogs that dragonwolf mentioned.
Global Warming Canards: A Response to Comments by ksullivan and jackbenimble
Global Warming Canards: The Truth Lies Somewhere in the Middle
Global Warming Canards: What Can We Do About It?
Global Warming Canards: Science Denialism
Global Warming Canards: Scientific Consensus --- What's It Good For?
Global Warming Canards: Scientific Consensus -- The IPCC
Global Warming Canards: Scientific Consensus -- Position Papers of Scientific Organizations
Global Warming Canards: Scientific Consensus -- The Oreskes Study
Global Warming Canards: The Reliability of Global Warming Denialists -- Part 1
Global Warming Canards: The Reliability of Global Warming Denialists -- Part 2
Global Warming Canards: Recent Cool Weather Disproves Global Warming
Global Warming Canards: Scientific Consensus -- The Senate Minority Report and the Petition Project
Enjoy!
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I'll click a few and read them but you do realize that the sciences such as physics may be more applicable to determining the existence of anthropocentric global warming than climatology. The study of climate is just that - the study of climate. I'd say a petition of over 31,00 scientists, many with PhD degrees shows a significant objection to the supposed consensus on global warming. I have always been honest in these discussuions but you choose to use that against me. I've played right into your stupid little games and have been defending myself against misinterprations of my statements rather than calling you on it. If you wish to support an absurd theory and support the socialist public policy and laws that will deeply hurt working class than maybe you ought to think about who you are.
I'll click a few and read them but you do realize that the sciences such as physics may be more applicable to determining the existence of anthropocentric global warming than climatology.
That makes no sense. The who point of specializing in a field is that the broad body of scientific knowledge has simply grown too vast for generalists to stay informed and up-to-date in all areas. Climatology is a recognized specialty. It makes no sense to dismiss the broad consensus of peers within that specialty in favor of those who lack the same expertise.
The study of climate is just that - the study of climate. I'd say a petition of over 31,00 scientists, many with PhD degrees shows a significant objection to the supposed consensus on global warming.
No, it really isn't. There has never been a census of which I am aware to determine the total number of scientists in the world, but just in the United States there are approximately 2,157,300 scientists that are professionally employed. So, even if we accepted the validity of your entire list, that's only about 1.4% And considering that there are an estimated (I'll be generous and say) only 10 times that number of scientists in the entire world, that becomes less that two-tenths of one percent of the world's scientists who are on you list. A 98.86% concurrence is well within any reasonable definition of what constitutes a scientific consensus.
I have always been honest in these discussuions but you choose to use that against me. I've played right into your stupid little games and have been defending myself against misinterprations of my statements rather than calling you on it. If you wish to support an absurd theory and support the socialist public policy and laws that will deeply hurt working class than maybe you ought to think about who you are.
Bullshit. You're just dodging the issue...again. You claimed that the science is wrong and when confronted with the falsity of that statement, you balked. Instead, you responded then (as you do now) with a strawman. The political implications of a scientific theory have absolutely no bearing whether or not that theory is accurate. As for the kind of person I am, I am one who is not willing to lie about the facts in order to achieve my desired political goals. Its a shame that others seem to lack the same integrity.
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Bullshit. You're just dodging the issue...again. You claimed that the science is wrong and when confronted with the falsity of that statement, you balked. Instead, you responded then (as you do now) with a strawman. The political implications of a scientific theory have absolutely no bearing whether or not that theory is accurate
You refuse to understand my point of view. You appear to be disagreeing with a point of view you are unable, or unwilling to understand. How many times have I said that politics does not have an effect on scientific truth? More importantly scientific fact or myth has absolutely no bearing on whether or not socialist government laws and regulations violate the constitution. That is my point, but unfortunately, I don't think that you will be able to understand such a simple outlook.
As for the kind of person I am, I am one who is not willing to lie about the facts in order to achieve my desired political goals. Its a shame that others seem to lack the same integrity
I do not have any political goals regarding global warming. It's the people in your camp that have the political goals that I am against. I would be happy if nobody had any goals because I sure don't. People like me do not want the government destroying the economy beyond repair, killing the constitution, and eventually putting the last nail in the coffin of our not-so-great-anymore- country. People like you, usually for more than one perverted reason, have the goal of destroying the United States.
...and I'm sorry (not really) that it pisses you off that we aren't falling for your bullshit. For example, you say...
You refuse to understand my point of view. You appear to be disagreeing with a point of view you are unable, or unwilling to understand. How many times have I said that politics does not have an effect on scientific truth?
...but instead of respoding with credible scientific data to support your claims that the theory of anthromophic climate change is false, you substitue a political argument...
More importantly scientific fact or myth has absolutely no bearing on whether or not socialist government laws and regulations violate the constitution. That is my point, but unfortunately, I don't think that you will be able to understand such a simple outlook.
If what you say is true, and that your point is that "socialist government laws and regulations violate the constitution," then why did you say this, earlier?
Well you could start by telling them the truth - that man made climate change is an absurd and arrogant theory...
...and this...
Now let me teach you a lesson about science. Science is not consensus but rather truth and fact. Regardless, if you think man-made "climate change" is settled science then you should know it is by no means settled science as many scientists reject such an absurd theory based on real fact and research.
...and this?
Well soon I will get the time to write a short paragraph or two based on scientific fact and analysis.
Just as occured in our previous discussion (linked above), you have made very specific claims refuting the science behind and the general scientific consensus regarding anthromoporphic climate change. But when I challege you to back up those claims, you keep trying to change the subject to focus on the politic aspect of the issue instead of supporting your cliams with acutal, objective evidence.
The simple fact is that your opinons about the political ramifactions of the theory of anthromoporphic climate change are not based in fact, and are thus of questionable worth. If you can't deal honestly with the science, I see no reason to assume that you will deal honestly with the policy issues that naturally derive from such an issue as out nation attempts to respond to the changes in our climate.
The bottom line is that you did very specifically challenge the science behind the theory of anthromoporphic climate change, also known anecdotally as "global warming." I'm just telling you to PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Back up your claims, or be revealed as a pundit and a fraud.
The choice is yours.
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