There has been a good deal of controversy lately over Obama's supposed birth certificate and whether or not he was born in America. He claims he was born in Hawaii and there are rumors floating around because his grandmother claims that she witnessed his birth in Kenya. What is the truth?
Our Constitution states: "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
Well, according to one article by journalist Joan Swirsky, Obama has not released a good deal of valuable information (such as baptisimal records, college records, college papers and thesis, medical records, and State Senate schedule and records). When we really think about it, how much DO we know about this man and how can we verify this?
To be fair, snopes.com (and factcheck.org) writes off the idea of Obama having a fake birth certificate as ridiculous, asking why he would risk his whole career on a fake document. Then again, if the allegation is true, then producing a fake document is his only chance. Also, factcheck.org is owned by a company that has openly supported and funded Obama's campaign.
Other informative websites, such as newsmax.com, provides more interesting details to this drama. For example, it states that Obama's supposed birth certificate omits key information, such as the hospital he was born in and his weight, that appears on other Hawaian birth certificates. In addition, Obama's certificate states that his father is "African," whereas the term in 1961 was "Negro" or "Colored." There are multiple law suits being filed against Obama, stating that people want real proof before Election Day (a short eight days away).
So what's the truth? According to our Constitution, is Obama eligible to become President? The world may never know.
Sources:
http://www.rightsidenews.com/200810262351/editorial/obama-s-birth-certif... http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_birth_certificate/2008/10/24/1438...
Picture:
http://cayankee.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/11/07/harkin_steak_f...
These accusations are completely false.
If the picture doesn't display correctly, just follow this link to see photos of the original documents.
This kind of dishonest bullshit is PRECISELY why many Americans are sick and tired of the Republican Party.
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I see you didn't read my article. I stated that FactCheck thinks these accusations to be false, but I also stated by whom FactCheck is owned.
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While I'm sure the editorial section of "Right Side News" is overflowing with factual information, you, yourself have stated that every source is biased. So where, exactly, would you like information from?
I'm pretty certain there are plenty of other scans of Obama's birth certificate and explanations calling bull shit on your claim. But since they all disagree with you, they're all probably liberal bias as well.
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Kinda like how anything that agrees with me is ridiculously biased and probably even a lie? Sure.
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...since I have used it more than once to reveal the dishonesty behind your opinons on a number of subjects, but it is a source that carries a great deal of credibility, and which takes on false assertions from the left just as vigorously as it does those from the left. This is all just another dishonest and almost laughably desperate attempt at character assination. Even so, a picture is worth a thousand words, and the simple fact is that the birth certificate is right there for anyone with two eyes (and half a brain) to see.
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Yes, dear, I saw the picture. Note that I did not state that I think Obama's bc is false. I stated that this site said it is and that site said it didn't. Also, I do believe Factcheck is a really liberal site. Just because it is liberal doesn't mean it's totally wrong nor does it mean it is totally right. However, please remember that's the case with other websites that don't agree with YOU.
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If you didn't think that the birth-certificate was fake, A) why did you write the blog suggesting that it was? and B) why did you criticize the credibility of the website that provided the evidence that the claim was false to begin with?
Unlike some, I don't judge webistes based on whether or not I agree with them. A reasonable person evaluates the credibility of a source based on the reputation of the source and the evidence that the source provides in support of what it says. Perhaps if YOU would try this, you wouldn't keep getting caught up in these dishonest campain tricks.
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No, I was skeptical when I first wrote the essay. That's why I wrote the essay...to see the opinions of the liberals on this site. I know quite a few conservatives who are convinced that it's fake, but I'm skeptical, so I looked up some information on both sides and presented it to see what everyone thought. So far, I've been failed because all anyone is saying is "that's ridiculous."
I criticized Factcheck.org because I think it's interesting that it's owned by a company who has supported Obama and I think that should be noted. Also, whereas the reputation of the site is important, it should also be noted WHO gives what reputation to what website. Reasonable people think about that, too.
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Ridiculous is suggesting that Obama paid off a government official in Hawaii to forge a birth certificate for him with absolutely no evidence of such a claim. Ridiculous is also rejecting FACT after objective FACT as it is presented to you and continuing to say, "I just think someone should look into it."
Here's what we've all been trying to get across to you: Someone (lots of someones, actually) HAS looked into it. What you are doing is the same tactic the McCain campaign is using. They (and you) keep calling up long disproven rumors and and saying Obama needs to explain, ignoring the fact that he HAS EXPLAINED!
There is really no point in arguing with you, is there? Well, maybe there is a point if it helps readers of these threads understand the true definition of bias.
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No, I'm being SKEPTICAL. I think it's kinda creepy that Obama's being really difficult when it comes to releasing information about himself. I also think it's creepy how little we know about him.
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Conservatives keep saying he is being difficult, but just saying it does not make it true.
Also, there are similar claims circulating about McCain;s release of information, but just because someone is saying it doesn't make it true. These are not the important issues of the campaign.
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I think knowing whether or not Obama can even be the President is an important issue. o.O
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It became unimportant as soon as the documentation was provided. It has been, and yet you STILL feel the need to question his eligibility. Slanderous accusations ARE unimportant.
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It is not possible for a person to present a fake birth certificate and not get caught under the kind of scrutiny Obama is under. The state of Hawaii will have a record of his birth. Go look it up instead of spreading lies.
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Eh, I'm not so sure. It doesn't take much to pay a few people off to get them to go along with something. Also, to note, I don't know if I believe that the bc is false, either. Then again, I don't trust Obama, so I don't know if it's true. That's all.
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The reason his father's race would be "African" is because he was actually from Africa.
I can't believe there are actually people who feel like they can get away with these outright lies.
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Do you have an explanation for the other things missing?
Again, I don't know if I'd call it an outright lie. I think it's definitely something to look into. I don't know why people feel like they can accept everything Obama says. o.O
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Do you have an explanation for the other things missing?
Assuming you mean this...
For example, it states that Obama's supposed birth certificate omits key information, such as the hospital he was born in and his weight, that appears on other Hawaian birth certificates...
The link I provided you answers this, as well...
The short form is the one that the State of Hawaii provides for questions of birth citizenship. It doesn't include things like the weight of the child, because that information isn't relevant. Geez...It really is sad that you feel the need to engage in this kind of dishonest muckraking.
There are multiple law suits being filed against Obama, stating that people want real proof before Election Day (a short eight days away).
Anyone can file a lawsuit against anyone at any time for any reason. That doesn't mean that the lawsuit is well-founded, or that it will suceed. The most prominent of the lawsuits against Sen. Obama was the one filed by Philip J. Berg has been dismissed in Federal Court.
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Barack's mother remarried and the family moved to Indonesia where Barack was registered in a local school as a citizen of Indonesia. Indonesian law at the time did not allow dual citizenship so the only way he could have become an Indonesian citizen was for his parents, on his behalf, to have renounced his USA citizenship.
Barack Obama later in life, after he had reached the age of the majority, traveled to Pakistan using his Indonesian passport.
I don't think the question is so much as to where Barack was born but if he is still a USA citizen after having it renounced.
If this is true, then you should have no trouble providing the following documentation, all of which must have been filed with the State Department...
1) Barack Obama's Oath of Renunciation,
2) The corresponding "statement of understanding,"
3) The official attestation from the U.S. Embassy at which the renunciation took place, and...
4) The Certificate of Loss of Nationality, which is issued by the State Department at the completion of the renunciation process.
All of these documents would be part of the public domain, and easily obtained by filing a freedom of information request. If you cannot produce a credible source that has located to at least one of these documents, then I would suggest that this accusation is also spurious.
Besides, Obama's family returned to Hawaii from Indonesia when he was ten-years-old. In order to renouce your citizenship, you have to be a legal adult (18-years-old). At ten-years-old, Obama could not have renouced his citizenship in any legally binding way, and even his parents would not be able to legally do so.
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EDIT: Here is a link to the State Department's instructions for Renunciation of U.S. Citizenship.
Note this section, in particluar...
So, that pretty much confirms that your accusation is false.
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um, John McCain was born in PANAMA. At least Hawaii is a state.
For the record, Obama's mother (Ann Dunham) was born in the United States, as were McCain's parents (John S. McCain, Jr. and Roberta Wright). According to the US Citizenship and and Immigration services website under the principle of jus sanguinis (which holds that the country of citizenship of a child is the same as that of his / her parents), both men are eligible to hold the office of the President of the United States, as they were pronounced citizens of the United States at birth.
Who cares where he was born? Why would he lie?
The fact remains we have much more important things to worry about, and that some of those things involve getting over the reality that we will eventually have to abandon the Barack Obama "honeymoon" phase and start to put this guy's feet to the fire, as we is working for us 300 million Americans now. Read my blog to see more of why I think this.