In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with "love" (if it is genuine) between two people of the same sex, however acting upon that love, in the form of lust, is a sin, like any other. It is a temptation -- just like sex before marriage, stealing, etc. I believe that homosexuality is wrong because the Bible lists it specifically as a sin. (Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.") It can be controlled (with God's help). I do agree that the government should have no say in this however. Making laws against same-sex unions or giving preferential treatment to heterosexual couples is an infringement of private domain.
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Okay...
But not every one believes in the Bible - or in sin for that matter.
But do you really think that people who are "controlling it" are doing anything better than others?
I'd rather live and be myself than lie to to myself and to every one around me just to cover up what some consider to be a sin. Speaking of which - isn't lying considered to be a sin?
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i wasn't specifically targeting anyone's opinions -- i was only stating my personal views. this blog was mainly meant for people who share the same beliefs as i do religion-wise, but have different viewpoints about homosexuality. and i think there's a big difference between lying and acting decently. would you suggest that anyone who goes against their instinct to murder is "lying"?
No, not at all, I was only alluding to whether or not there was a "hierarchy" of sins. Is one sin any better to commit than another?
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Look at where it gets people who try to control it. Look at these priests who abuse boys. Look at this Craig guy. Do you really think they would have behaved this way if they hadn't tried to control it?
"Every man makes a god of his own desire."
-Virgil
First, let's not confuse pedophilia with homosexuality. There are plenty of female and straight pedophiles.
Second, there is no evidence that self control is bad for you, but there is evidence that uncontrolled, jaded sexual behavior results in the need for more stimulation and stranger, more dangerous sex. Kinky begets kinkier, and the gay club scene had a lot to do with the rapid spread of AIDS
I'm not saying that having self-control is bad. I am also not saying that constant reckless behavior is good. Trust me, I'm not saying that homosexuals are pedophiles. I'm saying that denying what they are to everyone and, possibly, to themselves, can not have been good for their minds.
"Every man makes a god of his own desire."
-Virgil
Again, there are plenty of people who have urges to do things (exhibit A: the majority of teenage males) that doesn't mean they'll all grow up to be sex maniacs, raping every woman they see if they tried to control it when they were younger. those people who molest boys are the ones who would have no matter what happened in their livse -- that's what they have in them.
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The priest thing may not have been the best example. However, the fact is that it is unfair to expect people who are homosexual to deny themselves loving relationships just because that happens to be with a person of the same sex.
"Every man makes a god of his own desire."
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i suppose not in theory. sin of any kind separates man from God, so we can't judge one another on what sins we commit -- but i do think that taking away life and taking away property are two very different things.
:) Agreed...
But for the people who do believe in sin - it's not up to them which is worse than the other, right? That's where personal values comes into play.
We can believe all we want that to lie is a less offensive sin than to murder; but ultimately - if you believe in sin and an eternity as described in the Bible, it's not up to you.
Which is probably why God says not to judge - because you don't know...
At least, that's how I would interpret it.
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just curious, what are your religious beliefs? your writing's pretty unbiased in that respect.
Do you think it is "sinful" to have dinner with an Egytian citizen?
Do you think it is "sinful" to eat a lobster?
Do you think it is "sinful" for a woman to wear pants?
Just wondering,
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i sense a caveat.. but i think you know my answers. all no.
I find that very interesting, since all three of these acts (i.e. eating shellfish, dining with Egytians, and women wearing men's clothing) are all named in the bible as "sins" and described by the same term as homosexuality. They are all to'ebah, a term that is usually translated as "abomination" or "detestable." Why do you think that the to'ebah of homosexuality is a sin, but the to'ebah of having a lobster dinner is not?
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where in the Bible does it say that?
To be honest, the taboo against eating with Egyptians was more of an Egyptian taboo than a Hebrew one, but it is found in Genesis...
"And they set on for him by himself, and for them by themselves, and for the Egyptians, which did eat with him, by themselves: because the Egyptians might not eat bread with the Hebrews; for that is an abomination unto the Egyptians." (Genesis 43:32)
But the "sin" of eating shellfish and wearing the other sex's clothing are described in Leviticus and Deuteronomy, respectively...
"And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:" (Leviticus 11:10)
"The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God." (Deuteronomy 22:5)
Here are a few more to'ebah for you to consider...
"And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth shall be an abomination; it shall not be eaten." (Leviticus 11:41)
"Thou shalt not sacrifice unto the LORD thy God any bullock, or sheep, wherein is blemish, or any evilfavouredness: for that is an abomination unto the LORD thy God." (Deuteronomy 17:1)
"Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance." Deuteronomy 24:4
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Leviticus 11, Verse 10... "But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales—whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water—you are to detest."
I think that was what percivale was talking about...
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