I don't think this is what Benjamin Franklin had in mind...

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America was founded by godly men and on godly morals.  And if I'm not mistaken-we are also called THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!  So let me ask you, what exactly is the definition of "united"?  And I'm not saying I expect everyone to agree on every issue-utopian societies don't exist.  The people of America are significantly divided religiously, politically, and culturally; as to be expected.  But our government is frighteningly divided.  We have everyone from Nancy Pelosi- about as left winged as they come to George Bush, the ideal Conservative in our government.  Okay, thats fine, I guess, but how can they rule a great Country like America with peace, justice and fairness, when they can't even say one civil word about eachother!?  Our founding Fathers were just as diverse and divided, but MIRACOUSLY they were able to create the Constitution of America which EVERYONE agreed on.  Elections have gotten downright ridiculous-and I'd say both parties are to blame!  Rarely do we hear what the candidates stand for, just what 'IDIOTS' their components are.  How can America even decide who to vote for when they are so many lies and slander going around about ALL of the candidates.  How can they acheive any sort of unity in the Country when half of the people in the office want the president impeached (on what grounds, I don't know) and are waging a war to get a few more votes in the upcoming election?  Its just a game to them, so their names become a little more talked about, and so their party has a little more pull.  Political Parties are exactly that big parties for control freaks!  Our president, no matter what he's done, deserves a little more respect than what he's getting with his "colleagues in the White House".  Unity- ha!  There's got to be a better way-its almost impossible to sort the lies from the truth anymore.  Does America even vote by a candidate's moral standings anymore? Or do we vote by the most talked about person on the news?  I think the answer will scare you!  I know the political race has to be competitive, but spreading lies and calling names is probably not the most efficient way to run a country!  Democrats and Republicans-Conservative Democrats, Liberal Republicans, Independent Parties- we all do it.  Its not doing the American Public a favor to bash one candidate and to make fun of one another like little first graders fighting on a playground! THIS IS A COUNTRY- not a political game!  Does anyone actually have America's best interest in mind when they run- or are all the candidates in a race to see who can have more seats in our government?  They use the War in Iraq as a gamepiece to get their names on the news.  I say if all those candidates want to know what's going on over there, instead of listening to the media tell the same horrible story over and over again to make the war sound as hopeless as possible, they go over to Iraq and and ask the soldiers what should be done!  Is it winnable- I think they would know, better than any of us or them! 

 

I say all political figures do the American Public a favor and let the People decide who the incompetent leaders are.  Just tell us the truth for once!       

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Paragraphs are your friend. You're lucky I even read your post, the only reason I did was because I wanted to find out what you were writing about Benjamin Franklin. Turns out you weren't writing anything about him.

Just so you know, Benjamin Franklin wasn't Christian, in reference to your "America was founded by godly men on godly morals". And the founding fathers weren't really all that diverse either, they were fairly well-off white dudes.

How do I think we could make the country more unified? Elect Barack Obama as president. If he presidency reflects the sentiment of his 2004 DNC speech, he'll try his best to get everyone on the same page (and not necessarily the Democratic page).

Common sense is as rare as genius. ~Emerson

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To become red means to become dead gradually. ~ Patrick Henry or Alexander Hamilton..(im not sure..)

umm..well that was supposedly a non controversial post..and im sorry if i spelled hillary/hilary's (whatever) name wrong..and i really don't feel so blessed that you read my post..

no i DONT THINK I WANT A muslim president..umm...i kinda like obama..but its seems like electing him would just bring us closer to a one world government..YEAH..now they have control over us...its just not a good idea..but yes..if it came to him or hillary/hilary..(whatever). i'd definitely choose obama..at least HE has morals...and yes Benjamin Franklin was a Christian..

and yes the founding fathers were quite diverse... actually they had to attach the bill of rights after the constitution was ratified because not all the delegates thought the constitution was such a good idea..and they attached the bill of rights to make everyone shut up who was opposing the bill of rights...yeah.. they couldn't even agree on little things like..how many senators each state should have, or on how many branches the government should have...but they all had the people's best welfare in mind...unlike most candidates today..(like hilary/hillary..) who is just famous because of her infamous husband..and shes a chic..which is different for a presidential candidate...

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The Hilary misspelling comment wasn't addressed to you. Why are you talking about having a muslim president? I hope you don't think Obama is a muslim. He's a practicing Christian.

Common sense is as rare as genius. ~Emerson

Ahh yes....the Dems love to come out and attack another fellow conservative...

"How do I think we could make the country more unified?"

Umm...standing behind our SITTING President and giving him support. NOT electing Clinton or Obama will cause this country more divisions.

We have chosen to forget why...why we fight...why we are America. Until we remember, we will remain divided.

And let me tell you, Conservatives aren't the ones forgetting...

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Eventually we have to elect someone new, in case you thought Bush could be president forever. I never said we shouldn't support the current president. But the poster addressed the 2008 elections.

Common sense is as rare as genius. ~Emerson

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thank you john maxfield..i totally agree..we need to stand behind the president...despite what people think..lots of good things have been accomplished..

but why elect clinton or obama..why not Romney??? oooh right..he has too many morals..

and yes..the conservative party seems to understand that America is free because of war..and that not all war is bad..and *gasp* war=death.i wish it didn't...but yes..sometimes its inevitable...

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Ah yes, that sneaky thing called "moral relativism" comes out again. Christians such as yourselves are supposed to follow the Ten Commandments, but "thou shalt not kill" only means something when you want it to.

Common sense is as rare as genius. ~Emerson

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yes yes, the ten commandments..im familiar with them.. I assume you are referring to the death penalty..which is biblical..but i still don't completely agree with it...yes i think its odd that we kill someone who kills someone...but that is GOd's law..is that what you mean? well, there's a lot to it...

i guess im not totally sure what you are referring to when you say it only means something when we want it to..mind telling me??

and i don't think you can judge what ALL christians think..just like i can't judge what all non-christians think..

oooh..obama is a christian?,,,hmm..well i was wrong i suppose..i guess ill research him a little more..thanx!!

and yes..i would like someone with morals to be president.. i dont' agree with same sex marriage or abortion...clinton does..

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You said "not all war is bad" and war involves killing people. Why would you assume I'm talking about the death penalty when no one is talking about the death penalty?

Yeah, Obama is a Christian. I guess they don't teach you to fact check when you're home-schooled.

Common sense is as rare as genius. ~Emerson

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The only thing necessary for evil to prevail is that good men do nothing.

oooh.. right..i see..okay..well there is lots of war in the Bible..in fact at times God helped one side win a war, or did the opposite and allowed one side to lose..man is basically evil, and where there are peopel there is war, and sometimes war is necessary, and yes people die, and yes people kill, but well you have a point..but we as Christians are supposed to obey and submit to the government..and i know that war is necessary,,it set the slaves free!

Actually, if you read the original Hebrew text, the translation is 'Thou shall not murder.'

There is a difference.

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yeess.. there is..and while wars do include killing..its not murder..and besides the Bible is full of war..and God allows it, and in fact, when God sent the flood, he wiped everyone off the face of the earth, except Noah and his family.everyone was sinful and apparently God knew that the world was hopelessly evil..

so yes...i understand your point, war does involve killing, but im sure GOd knows what he's doing, and it seems to me that GOd meant we shouldn't just haul off and MURDER people-war is different-to God, i mean sometimes he helped one side (usually the Isrealites) to win a war, or allowed one side to lose...he was involved...so yes..not all war is bad..its inevitable..as long as there are people on the planet...

And so did I. We must be behind Bush NOW. We must be behind the right man who is running for the 2008 election. Those are NOT Obama or the Hitlery Clinton.

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By your calculated misspelling of Sen. Clinton's name, I can guess why you don't like her, but what do you have against Sen. Obama? Just out of curiousity.

Common sense is as rare as genius. ~Emerson

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HItlery..that FUNNY!!..

Here's just one reason:

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Doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

Common sense is as rare as genius. ~Emerson

No, to you, I'm sure it wouldn't be

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Not to me and apparently not to the majority of Americans who don't support the war in Iraq.

Common sense is as rare as genius. ~Emerson

Do you support the troops?

And be careful what you say about not supporting the war.

A close friend of mine, SSgt. Herb Harman, who was a personal bodyguard to Prime Minister Maliki sums up his feelings about this country’s anti-war protesters with the succinctness of a weathered military man.

“There’s a thin line between what some people consider patriotism and what I consider treason."

And don't forget that.

I actually just finished talking with Rhonda Winfield, another close friend of min, her 19-year-old son Jason Redifer, was a Marine killed in Iraq in 2005. When ever she thinks of people like Sheehan or the anti-war protestors, her voice brims with emotion. And she speaks of her opposition to peace activist Cindy Sheehan and of a recent trip to Richmond to watch President Bush's motorcade. There, she experienced anti-war protesters and "the hate-filled way they spread their message." She she and others were surrounded, berated and spat on.

Is this the country her son gave his life for?

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There's a difference between supporting the war and supporting the troops. I have no problem with are country pulling out of Iraq because I don't support our reasons for being there. I don't think the reasons justify the numerous soldier and civilian deaths. I don't understand why anyone whose family members or friends that are overseas fighting wouldn't wish their loved ones home as soon as possible. But I have the utmost respect for people that are willing to risk their lives to serve our country.

Common sense is as rare as genius. ~Emerson

"There's a difference between supporting the war and supporting the troops."

Perhaps in your mind there is, but how do you think the soldiers feel? How can they distinguish the two?

They can't.

And you say that all this stuff is going wrong with the war.

Alright, the ball is in your court.

How do we go about alleviating the situation?

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