Okay, this is for all the ones who posted on my last abortion blog (and for new readers who want to participate).
All of you agree that abortions are wrong. Each one of you think of abortion as murder in the very highest degree. (Oh by the way, did you know that you can be sentenced to jail by Abortion to the second degree? I have no idea what that is, but I saw it on CSI.)
Back to what I was talking about. Do you believe in a purpose from Conception? Or do you believe that life begins with the first heart beat? Or ar you one those random people who believe that life begins at the first breath? What defines a human life? Comments please. I want to hear your opinions.
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I believe that a woman has a right for an abortion. As I understand it, you can only get an abortion during the 1st 3 months of pregnancy. That is when the fetus is not fully developed. Sure, if it stays in the mommy's tummy long enough it'll become a human baby. But the first three months, it's not like it has any comprehension of being alive. It's like the initial materials for a human. That might be too harsh, but nobody really knows where life begins.
If you go by the movie "Look Who's Talking" though, even sperm can talk.
I believe life beings at conception. At the moment of conception the fertilized egg already has a unique DNA sequence from its mother and father. It also has 64 chromosomes, which defines an organism's species. The only organism with 64 chromosomes it homo sapiens, so obviously at that moment the fetus cannot be considered anything but human being.
Then you should also be behind research that preserves the gazillion fertilized eggs that become miscarried since, after all, these are millions and millions of human lives dying every year. This should thus be more important to you than research into cancer, AIDS, and strokes combined. This should thus become a medical emergency for the entire human race --- so many millions and billions of human lives are being lost constantly if a fertilized egg is indeed a human being. You put a seed in the ground, but you don't call it a tree, even if it is a fertilized seed. A fetus isn't a human being until it can be naturally born. Before then, it is a human fetus, but not a human being.
That's natural. My problem is the intentional murder. If something dies naturally how can I have a problem with that? There is no correlation between a natural death and a murder.
Isn't cancer natural? Isn't strokes or flus or viruses natural? Wasn't the Black Death natural? Isn't a heart attack natural? Should we not have any hospitals or doctors since death is also natural? Are you saying is that you have no problems with these deaths since they are "natural" like miscarriages?
We aren't kiling anyone in the process. The problem lies in the murder.
I believe that as long as there is something alive in the woman's body no one has the right to kill it. It is wrong. The only justifiable reason would be if the mother's life were in danger or if the woman was raped.
Yes, but people believe differently than you. Again, it is and always will be a matter of speculation when a fetus can be called human. This speculation is a distraction from the real important issue at hand: what right does one group have to force another people to live by their religion's views? You see it as murder. Others don't see it as murder. Your views are colored by your religious beliefs, but not everyone shares your religious beliefs. Why should abortion be made illegal because of religious beliefs of some irregardless that others obviously don't share those religious beliefs? Why should everybody be forced to live, by law, based on your religious beliefs? You can say that the founding fathers were influenced by their religions, but they were ALSO strongly for a SEPERATION between religion and government. This seems to be forcing the religious beliefs on some unto the masses of everyone else.
Not everything is about my religious views because if it were, I'd say abortion is ok as long as it's early on.
Everything might not be about your religious views, but you cannot deny that there is a definite and overflowing connection between the anti-Abortion movement and religion. Again, it is a matter of speculation -- based on religion or not, it is still speculation. There is no way we can say that at this point this is a human being and at this point, this is not a human being. You might strongly believe in one way, but you cannot absolutely know that you are right. We will never know without a doubt that God exists or does not exist. I am not going to try to push legislation that makes religion illegal because I don't believe that God exists. In my opinion, for instance, a person who is declared brain dead and put on life support indefinitely is not a human being anymore. Others would disagree. How can we ever know who is absolutely right? What we know is that the fetus is within the woman's body and to me, it is a part of the woman's body until it can be naturally seperated from her body. To you, it is an individual human being already once the egg becomes fertilized. How will this argument ever become settled? And why should your views be made law over my views?
I do agree with you in that there is a strong connection between religion and abortion, which is why this is something that is so controvertial. Everytime religion is brought up there is arguing. Whether it has to do with gay marriages or the cartoons, there will always be controversy. As much as I think abortion should be illegal, that probably isn't going to happen everywhere. A big part of the issue is not whether abortions are right or wrong, but whether or not the government has the right to tel us what we can and cannot do with our bodies.
So, if you are celebrating abortion being made illegal in some states, you think the government does have the right to tell us what we can do with our bodies? This is just plain and outright wrong to me -- ethically, morally, and spiritually.
dulcett, as I pointed out on another abortion thread, this really is completely false.
NO state is allowed to prohibit abortion at ANY time, or for ANY reason, up until after the baby is BORN.
Abortion is legal at any point during the pregnancy, even up to the moment of birth. In fact, the first step of partial-birth abortion is to induce labor.
This is very academic. Check it out for yourself.
In the mean time, go to the link below to see drawings of what a partial-birth abortion looks like. (They’re not actual pictures – the drawings are disturbing enough.)
And remember, this is legal and done routinely every day in America.
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/PBA_Images/PBA_Images_Heathers_Place.htm
Oh, and don’t forget to look at what a Dilation and Evacuation abortion looks like:
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/DEabortiongraphic.html
Um, those two procedures are the same thing. And D&X procedures - dubbed by the right "partial birth abortions" - are only 1% of abortions in the U.S. That's about 2,500 a year, I just read. I would be shocked if many of them were done out of anything other than medical necessity.
Just because you *can* get a very late-term, gruesome abortion under current law doesn't mean that people *do*. The vast majority of women who have abortions in the U.S. choose to do it in the first three months of pregnancy, and there's a reason for that. They're women, and often couples making a reasoned, painful decision together. They're not monsters.
Get your facts straight, kid.
This "partial-birth abortion" thing does sound gruesome to me. No wonder it's rare. And by that token, I have a very hard time believing any woman would take the decision to have this procedure lightly. There are grossly insensitive people in the world, but they're few and far between. Most people are just trying to do the best they can with what they have.
If you want to reduce the number of abortions that occur "each day" in the U.S., support good , accurate sex education. Pass out condoms. Support the morning-after pill. Don't scream about partial-birth abortion as though it's a central issue in the debate. It's not.
Um, no those two procedures are not the same. Maybe you need to get your facts straight, “kid
Oh, and why is any of that supposed to be OK if it’s “only
OK, OK... sorry for my snarkey tone in those last two posts. (But... but... but... Unknown Guest called me a “kid
The point isn't when life begins, sperm and eggs are alive, as are bacteria. There's no debate about that.
The question is when a thing is a human being.
Reality check: when someone asks you how old you are, do you count the 9 months before birth?
Politics and religion aside, *nobody* reasonably sees a fetus as a human being. If you went to a grocer and said, I'd like a chicken, and he gave you an egg, would you complain?
Finally, the debate is not about whether abortion is right or wrong, it's about who gets to decide.
Adam, if you went to the grocer and asked for a dozen eggs, and he handed you a box of salmon eggs or frog eggs, would you complain?
Of course both he and you would have known you were talking about the eggs of a particular species.
If you really believe that then have a talk with your biology professor. Ask him/her about the Law of Biogenesis. (A species only reproduces according to its own kind.)
But if we decide on any other basis besides what is right or wrong, then we are just using the law to force our will on one another just because we can. (And that is the basis for totalitarianism, if I’m not mistaken.)
In a few words:
Thought, a developed central nervous system, and direct physical independence from other human beings.
In essence: When you can breathe on your own, you're a human life. Otherwise, you're still a fetus.
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If a society is willing to give freedom for temporary security, they deserve neither.
So a person in the hospital on a respirator doesn't fit your idea of a human life I guess, right?
Now a baby with a beating heart, unique fingerprints, working organs, senses, a nervous system, a working brain, etc doesn't constitute a human?